Comments on: Problem With Breeder Distance…. Help? (question Is Long.. .but Please Read It.. Thanks.)?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:19:17 +0000

If you are the least bit weary of this person, then back out. Gut feelings are usually the best. I would keep looking. “oops” breeding usually means BYB or someone who is just looking for money, and probably has health risks in their dogs. Tell her, thanks, but you found a dog that is closer and female.

By: Greyhoun

Greyhoun — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:59:04 +0000

Unless you personally know the breeder — don’t ever buy a dog over the internet.
To find the show Papillon you want (and can be proud of!) …. please attend some dog shows in Michigan where you live and visit with the Papillon breeders that are showing there.
You can find the right breeders who are breeding quality dogs by seeking them out at the shows.

By: ~ La vita è misterioso ~

~ La vita è misterioso ~ — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:17:56 +0000

I agree with Sally, Jessie, and Raphael . . . j/k, I mean Barb. : ) Good suggestion, tentoes – who do we know lives in Oklahoma?
One red flag is forgiveable, perhaps, but there seems to be a handful here. I imagine that procuring this dog would be nothing but a headache in the long run.

By: Basset Puppies = land piranhas

Basset Puppies = land piranhas — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:14:54 +0000

I’m willing to make allowances for not having time to train, using puppyfind, and even having an “oops”, but the fact that she’s willing to offer full registration (for a fee) to someone she doesn’t know worries me.
She is not listed as a member on the PCA breeders directory.
The puppy sounds delightful, and there is a good chance that he is of quality, but I would want to check out the situation before committing to anything. Either I’d go down myself or I’d have someone in the area that I know check her out.
EDIT: Barb, I don’t know if you’re in Canada, but in the US you can’t show the dog in conformation unless it has full registration – which means if you have limited registration, you can’t get a championship on the dog to prove it’s worthiness.
Up here we can show a limited dog, so it’s common for breeders to sell show dogs on a non-breeding registration, and require that the owner get a championship before lifting it.

By: Jessie

Jessie — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:26:09 +0000

I don’t feel good about it AT ALL.
She has accidental breedings.
No time to train.
Willing to ship a dog to someone she doesn’t know.
All very, very, very bad signs. That’s plenty for me to run away!

By: Barb

Barb — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:23:53 +0000

Besides what others have mentioned, one of the things on my list of breeder no-nos is selling puppies for more money with full registration.
In my opinion, ALL puppies should be sold on limited registration until certain criteria is met (titles, health certs, etc) at which time the breeder lifts the limited and makes it full.
Of course there are acceptations, I know that puppies with AKC going to Canada can not get CKC without full AKC registration etc.
ETA – BYBs cause suffering and death – Sorry I should have said I was thinking of the German Style (Schutzhund titles and Koer) rather than American Lines and AKC which I am not familiar with.

By: Rey

Rey — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:00:53 +0000

Follow your gut – just say no!

By: tentoes

tentoes — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:35:19 +0000

What you might also try doing in finding someone on Y!A who you trust that lives near the breeder and see if they’ll check out the facilities for you.

By: Mel

Mel — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:54:38 +0000

I wouldn’t do it. You are right about all of those signs, and if you can’t see his environment, don’t do it.

By: BC Eye Herd Ewe Twidge!

BC *Eye Herd Ewe Twidge!* — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:04:27 +0000

She sounds okay, but…I don’t know. I would be happy to drive out there and take a look at him for you. I live only 30 minutes away or more. I really wouldn’t mind, I just need to make something up to tell my parents. I’ll try calling her for you though, tell you what she says.