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		<title>By: GllntKni</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone really botched up.  Yes I would complain it definitely is not normal and I wouldn&#039;t have waited this long, I would have taken him for a second opinion right after surgery..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone really botched up.  Yes I would complain it definitely is not normal and I wouldn&#8217;t have waited this long, I would have taken him for a second opinion right after surgery..</p>
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		<title>By: Christin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh your poor baby!
All surgeries require pain medications.  He should have had pain medication and antibiotics.  He also should have gotten food and water after surgery, and been taken outside. 
I would sue for medical malpractice.  Honestly, I would talk to lawyers now.  
Get copies of all the medical records from surgery, your vet, and the ER.  
Neuters are one of the least complicated animal surgeries out there. If they screwed up so bad on that, I can&#039;t begin to imagine the problems they could cause with other conditions.  
I am so, so sorry this happened to you and your dog. I hope he is feeling better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh your poor baby!<br />
All surgeries require pain medications.  He should have had pain medication and antibiotics.  He also should have gotten food and water after surgery, and been taken outside.<br />
I would sue for medical malpractice.  Honestly, I would talk to lawyers now.<br />
Get copies of all the medical records from surgery, your vet, and the ER.<br />
Neuters are one of the least complicated animal surgeries out there. If they screwed up so bad on that, I can&#8217;t begin to imagine the problems they could cause with other conditions.<br />
I am so, so sorry this happened to you and your dog. I hope he is feeling better.</p>
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		<title>By: azta</title>
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		<dc:creator>azta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my honest opinion.....not sending an animal home with pain meds is malpractice, also is not offering water or bathroom breaks while hospitalized. As for the surgical site, the bruising is somewhat normal, some animals do bruise much more than others, while some don&#039;t bruise whatsoever. And for the incision....that looks as if there was a local reaction to the suture material (essentially like an allergic reaction) and therefore the dog should have been prescribed antibiotics to be safe. And to have a hernia there, is very uncommon, unless it was caused by the surgeon not closing the layers of the skin properly. The scrotum looks large because there may have been a small amount of bruising there (a small blood clot). 
If this were my animal, yes I would file a complaint, just call the rescue and they should have no problem letting you know what vet did the surgery, it&#039;s your right. The next step I would take would be to call the state/provincial veterinary medical association, and then to write a formal letter including copies of the photos. This is your right, and the medical association has professional people who handle things like this on a regular basis.
All the best....I hope everything works out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my honest opinion&#8230;..not sending an animal home with pain meds is malpractice, also is not offering water or bathroom breaks while hospitalized. As for the surgical site, the bruising is somewhat normal, some animals do bruise much more than others, while some don&#8217;t bruise whatsoever. And for the incision&#8230;.that looks as if there was a local reaction to the suture material (essentially like an allergic reaction) and therefore the dog should have been prescribed antibiotics to be safe. And to have a hernia there, is very uncommon, unless it was caused by the surgeon not closing the layers of the skin properly. The scrotum looks large because there may have been a small amount of bruising there (a small blood clot).<br />
If this were my animal, yes I would file a complaint, just call the rescue and they should have no problem letting you know what vet did the surgery, it&#8217;s your right. The next step I would take would be to call the state/provincial veterinary medical association, and then to write a formal letter including copies of the photos. This is your right, and the medical association has professional people who handle things like this on a regular basis.<br />
All the best&#8230;.I hope everything works out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell yes I would be complaining!
I would say check back at your regular vet and the one who performed the surgery and ask them both about it. It could be extremely serious. If the surgeon is at fault, you could sue for the removal of this possible hernia. It can be expensive.
Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell yes I would be complaining!<br />
I would say check back at your regular vet and the one who performed the surgery and ask them both about it. It could be extremely serious. If the surgeon is at fault, you could sue for the removal of this possible hernia. It can be expensive.<br />
Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your dog is a full grown male so the vascular system to the testes was much more developed than in a puppy, so a relatively large amount of bruising and swelling is not out of the realm of normal. It appears that your dog had an exceptionally hard time with the bleeding. The sac is certainly swollen with fluid on day seven but definitely better on your last pictures. You are taking good care of the incision site.
It is very common in California to give pain medications and an E-collar for all surgeries, but old-school vets in different states may not. It is normal procedure here to give a dog in surgery IV fluids, but many owners decline due to the added cost. It is elective. many low-cost clinics do not use IVs to save the owners the added cost. It&#039;s a risk, but many times people find the savings worth it.
Your dog may not have felt comfortable to drink or eliminate at the vet&#039;s office. That, too, is not uncommon with a little dog, especially if he is very attached to his owner. An IV would have mitigated the problem.
I would complain to the original vet and ask for explanations. Don&#039;t be confrontational, but do explain your concerns and show the photos.
I would ask your personal vet if the hernia could be a result from the neuter surgery and if it was preventable (sometimes complications cannot be prevented.) If if was a botch, the vet who performed the neuter surgery should pay for the hernia repair. Personally, if I were concerned about the quality of a neuter surgery, I wouldn&#039;t have the original vet do the repair. I&#039;d go to my regular vet.
ETA:
&quot;I forgot to add, one of the problems I&#039;m having with the complaint is that the surgery was performed through a low-cost neuter service offered by a local animal rescue. They did not give me the name of the surgeon, and I&#039;m not sure if they will if I ask them for it or if they&#039;ll refuse so that they don&#039;t get any bad press.&quot;
Ask your vet when is is normal to offer water to a dog post-op. See if that fits within the time you picked him up.
&quot;He was hospitalized twice before, once for eating chewing gum (overnight stay) and once for having his puppy teeth removed (daytime stay). Neither time did he refuse to eat, drink, or eliminate when given the opportunity. He&#039;s also stayed with friends and family before and never behaved abnormally. He is a very outgoing, friendly dog and loves any attention from any human. I am 100% certain he did not get water, and they told me outright that he had not been taken outside or out of his crate at all during his stay.&quot;
He was put under - that does sometimes change behaviors, but hew should have been offered a small walk when he recovered post-op. Again, ask your vet about normal procedures.
&quot;I&#039;ve had other animals fixed at other low-cost clinics, they&#039;ve always given me the option for the &quot;extras&quot; (ie pain meds, fluids, etc.) and I&#039;ve always paid for anything they offered to make the animal more comfortable. This clinic did not offer anything extra, they claimed the fee covered &quot;everything&quot;.
Here&#039;s your red flag, with a caveat: did you ask specifically about IV fluids, pain meds, etc.? If yes, then you can contact your lawyer about them paying your follow-up bill from the surgery. You might consider having your lawyer send a nasty-gram their way anyway, if your first (polite) visits go nowhere.  Ultimately, you want them offering the fluids, medications, etc. to people&#039;s pets. Your pet cannot collect pain and suffering damages, but you could file in small claims court (for cost of  follow-up emergency visits and perhaps the surgery itself) if you have independent (your vet, ER vet, independent vet - someone with a DVM at the end of their name) verification that the surgery procedures should have been done differently. 
It makes a particularly strong case (actually, your only hope of winning the argument inside or outside of court) if you keep your pictures and keep a log of what happened when and with whom you speak. It is very important to keep a good, clear record of circumstances. But you always need to keep your cool and be especially polite. It is very tempting to get emotional, but this is not the time to do that.
I would certainly let other know about your personal experience, but be careful not to state anything other than a fact - you don&#039;t want to be libelous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your dog is a full grown male so the vascular system to the testes was much more developed than in a puppy, so a relatively large amount of bruising and swelling is not out of the realm of normal. It appears that your dog had an exceptionally hard time with the bleeding. The sac is certainly swollen with fluid on day seven but definitely better on your last pictures. You are taking good care of the incision site.<br />
It is very common in California to give pain medications and an E-collar for all surgeries, but old-school vets in different states may not. It is normal procedure here to give a dog in surgery IV fluids, but many owners decline due to the added cost. It is elective. many low-cost clinics do not use IVs to save the owners the added cost. It&#8217;s a risk, but many times people find the savings worth it.<br />
Your dog may not have felt comfortable to drink or eliminate at the vet&#8217;s office. That, too, is not uncommon with a little dog, especially if he is very attached to his owner. An IV would have mitigated the problem.<br />
I would complain to the original vet and ask for explanations. Don&#8217;t be confrontational, but do explain your concerns and show the photos.<br />
I would ask your personal vet if the hernia could be a result from the neuter surgery and if it was preventable (sometimes complications cannot be prevented.) If if was a botch, the vet who performed the neuter surgery should pay for the hernia repair. Personally, if I were concerned about the quality of a neuter surgery, I wouldn&#8217;t have the original vet do the repair. I&#8217;d go to my regular vet.<br />
ETA:<br />
&#8220;I forgot to add, one of the problems I&#8217;m having with the complaint is that the surgery was performed through a low-cost neuter service offered by a local animal rescue. They did not give me the name of the surgeon, and I&#8217;m not sure if they will if I ask them for it or if they&#8217;ll refuse so that they don&#8217;t get any bad press.&#8221;<br />
Ask your vet when is is normal to offer water to a dog post-op. See if that fits within the time you picked him up.<br />
&#8220;He was hospitalized twice before, once for eating chewing gum (overnight stay) and once for having his puppy teeth removed (daytime stay). Neither time did he refuse to eat, drink, or eliminate when given the opportunity. He&#8217;s also stayed with friends and family before and never behaved abnormally. He is a very outgoing, friendly dog and loves any attention from any human. I am 100% certain he did not get water, and they told me outright that he had not been taken outside or out of his crate at all during his stay.&#8221;<br />
He was put under &#8211; that does sometimes change behaviors, but hew should have been offered a small walk when he recovered post-op. Again, ask your vet about normal procedures.<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;ve had other animals fixed at other low-cost clinics, they&#8217;ve always given me the option for the &#8220;extras&#8221; (ie pain meds, fluids, etc.) and I&#8217;ve always paid for anything they offered to make the animal more comfortable. This clinic did not offer anything extra, they claimed the fee covered &#8220;everything&#8221;.<br />
Here&#8217;s your red flag, with a caveat: did you ask specifically about IV fluids, pain meds, etc.? If yes, then you can contact your lawyer about them paying your follow-up bill from the surgery. You might consider having your lawyer send a nasty-gram their way anyway, if your first (polite) visits go nowhere.  Ultimately, you want them offering the fluids, medications, etc. to people&#8217;s pets. Your pet cannot collect pain and suffering damages, but you could file in small claims court (for cost of  follow-up emergency visits and perhaps the surgery itself) if you have independent (your vet, ER vet, independent vet &#8211; someone with a DVM at the end of their name) verification that the surgery procedures should have been done differently.<br />
It makes a particularly strong case (actually, your only hope of winning the argument inside or outside of court) if you keep your pictures and keep a log of what happened when and with whom you speak. It is very important to keep a good, clear record of circumstances. But you always need to keep your cool and be especially polite. It is very tempting to get emotional, but this is not the time to do that.<br />
I would certainly let other know about your personal experience, but be careful not to state anything other than a fact &#8211; you don&#8217;t want to be libelous.</p>
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